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So, I was preparing for the game this past Saturday. I had to choose between hot wings or barbecue. I chose hot. Between beer or whiskey. I chose both. ;) Between a brand new orange Nike golf shirt or an old orange Adidas golf shirt. I chose Adidas. F&@k Nike. 

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Yeah. A lot tougher than picking out which shirt. 

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You know, I've seen the commercial a few times. What I've decided is that I agree with the principal of the dialogue. But for Nike to capitalise on the manner of how Kapernick gained notoriety kind of has a stink on it. More so now that Serena Williams, who is also in the commercial, has decided to show her ass. 

Russell Athletic also makes official UT shirts, that's what I'm going with.

Nuck Fike...

 

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Wot..? Misspelled? Maybe so, I'm past the point of caring.

But I'm kinda pi$$ed. All this NA crap came about right about the same time my NFL interest was being restored. Just my luck, shouldn't be suprised. Now I can't even watch the Saints play. 

I ain't gonna cuss about it tho, dammit..!

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My interest was falling off when Peyton retired so me not watching the NFL isn't a big deal.  As for Nike, I have an old pair, not going to burn them.  My old shoes always become grass mowing shoes anyways.

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I respect Colin Kaepernick and everything he stands for.  He put his money where his mouth was long before Nike ever had anything to do with him.  I think that he is a wonderful young man.  I also think that Serena Williams is a wonderful woman.  She rose from the streets of Compton California and ascended to the top of her craft despite having to rely on a novice father to teach her the basics of tennis on crumbling tennis courts in the middle of a "war zone" during the height of the "crack" era.   I commend her accomplishments as well as those of her sister.

As for Nike and whether or not they give a flip about the REAL reason Kaepernick took a knee is open for debate.  I believe that they are rolling the dice here and banking on the "Ali" effect paying off dividends in the long run but I have been wrong before.  Ali went from being the most reviled athlete on earth in the 60's to becoming one of the most beloved, culminating in his memorable lighting of the torch in the 1996 Olympic games in Atlanta. 

Personally, I am going to support Nike and continue to purchase their products because I like them and despite the ambiguity of their motives, Nike certainly has enabled more dialogue to be brought forth that could possibly lead to a meeting of the minds of all that actually desire understanding and perhaps Nike's stance; however ambiguous at the moment, could possibly unearth some common ground and healing............   Just my thoughts.................  :tennessee: 

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When it comes to shoes I'm a Reebok man so I don't have a dog in that fight. More comfortable and affordable IMO. But I'm old enough to remember the stir caused by Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the '68 Olympics. The more things change... 

I also sorta remember a quote from a guy named Abbie Hoffman, something about how what should set America apart from totalitarian governments is not how it treats it's patriots but how it treats it's dissenters. 

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That was quite a stir wasn't.  I'm old enough to remember too unfortunately.  1968 Olympic games Mexico City.  They chose the biggest stage in the world to express themselves and paid dearly for it.   I agree with Abby Hoffman.  :Tennrules:

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I see what you have to say and you have the right to say so! I have defended that right! And will continue to do so!

However, Kapernick is painting with a really broadbrush when it comes to police brutality! As does most of the media on this issue! I'll grant the fact that there are some bad cops out there. That said the MAJORITY are folks that are just doing a really dirty job and really deserve our support!

As far as athletes that were vilified in the 60's take a long hard look at John Carlos and Tommie Smith. I'll give you a hint , Mexico City 1968. Granted Ali took his fair share of crap and I'll concede that point.

 In so far as Serena Williams is concerned I don't much care.I do admire what she and Venus have done with their lives. They have worked hard to do so.

As far as Nike goes I could care less what Phill Knight does I haven't bought or worn Nike in a really long time. If you are dying to know I'd say 20 plus years at this point I equate it to Levis and their stupid support for gun control!

Sorry son, at this point I can't say much good for Nike or any of the others that support ONLY social justice without seeing BOTH sides! 

 

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The whole thing is all about getting people to react. I am so sick of social media and all of this garbage. I think I just want a nice place for vol fans to hang out with each other.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Va Vol Fan said:

However, Kapernick is painting with a really broadbrush when it comes to police brutality!

When has Kaepernick EVER painted ALL police with a broadbrush?  When has Kaepernick EVER said he does not support the military?   He actually has said repeatedly that he DOES support the military but nobody wants to listen to him.  It actually was an Iraqi vet that met with him and they had meaningful dialogue and through this meaningful dialogue he decided to stop sitting on the bench as had been his routine during the anthem and instead decided to kneel because the Veteran told him that is how they respect their fallen comrades.  When has Kaepernick EVER said he was protesting the flag or the anthem?  He actually has said repeatedly that it ISN'T about the flag but nobody will listen to HIS words.  

 

1 hour ago, Va Vol Fan said:

As far as athletes that were vilified in the 60's take a long hard look at John Carlos and Tommie Smith. I'll give you a hint , Mexico City 1968

I am well aware of these two men in Mexico City as I pointed out earlier in my reply to GH6.

 

1 hour ago, Va Vol Fan said:

Sorry son, at this point I can't say much good for Nike or any of the others that support ONLY social justice without seeing BOTH sides!

I see what you say and you have the right to say so.....  

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7 hours ago, grevehallvol said:

I will be 59 years old in December Sir.

I certainly don’t proclaim to be “all knowing”. To tell you the truth, far from it. But I don’t think Va Vol meant “son” in the literal sense. I’m fairly sure it was just a figure of speech. Much like using the term “bro” or “cuz”. At least that’s how I read it. 

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They say a picture is worth a thousand words. How about two of them.

Hey Greve, the bottom pic shows a good example of the “broad brush” theory.  

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Point being, why didn’t Nike chose a better representative than Kaepernick? I.e. How about the firefighters or NYPD officers that TRULY sacrificed everything? (This being the 17th anniversary of 9-11 would have been a perfect platform!). Or any one of thousands of military vets that gave and CONTINUE to give everything so that we can continue to enjoy the ideals and freedoms that we cherish? What about Pat Tillman? Tim Tebow? I’ll tell you why. Because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Nike dropped the ball on this one. And I’m dropping them. 

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This will be the last thing I have to say about this. Kapernick and the rest of the players have every right to protest, I don't have a problem with that. To me, they're doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. I believe that most people see what's going on, even if they havn't experienced it personally. But what CK and others have done has created a division along patriotic lines between themselves and others who would otherwise support them. If calling attention to the issue is their goal I believe thats been accomplished. At some point the healing must begin, but first someone needs to stop picking at the scab. Nobody makes peace with their friends.

Police brutality has existed for as long as I can remember, and will continue to exist as long as they emphasize having 'The upper hand' when interacting with the public. At the same time the public should come to the realization that the police already have the upper hand, act accordingly, and minimize the consequences. The provocation is what needs to end, and both sides are guilty of it.

Now, here is wisdom. An old man told his grandson a story. He said that inside everyone are two wolves that are constantly fighting. One represents what is good, the other represents what is evil. The grandson asks "Which one wins?" The old man answers "The one you feed"...

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9 hours ago, grevehallvol said:

Ummmmmmmmmm.....  You have that here Rob.  :tennessee:

Yeah I worded that wrong. LOL Must have been my RUM last night :bouncesmile:

I meant to say I hate social media and how all this stuff gets stirred up. I am glad we HAVE a place like this to just talk about Vol stuff.

I am glad we have mature folks who can discuss this stuff openly and keep it clean.

 

I will say this. CK has EVERY right to protest and many have fought for his right to do this. My issue is I question still his motivation. Him donating money isn't proof of his honesty on this. He has money. I was raised that there was certain situations where there was certain things you just don't do. Don't step on superman's cape, don't spit in the wind, don't put your elbows on the table and don't wear a hat at the dinner table. And you DON'T violate the pledge of allegiance or use reverence times to push your agenda. You just don't do it. period. I do not believe his motivation.  I just don't. He could have used a lot of other types of venues or marketing or social media to protest. There is a place and time for everything. This is NOT it. All this has caused is division. Again I truly and honestly agree CK has every right to protest. I just don't like the venue he is using.

 

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I am not an expert but I do know many in law enforcement. The percentage of bad apples in law enforcement is so finite. Yes it happens and I am disgusted when it does. I also hate priests violating kids, pedophiles and child porn and lying pastors who use churches for gain and Hollywood know it alls. The issue is this stuff happens. Look people are screwed up all over for the most part. I totally love that Kapernick wants to help the small amount of TRUE brutality that happens. I agree with Rob on this. There is a time and place for things. The pledge honoring the country is not one of them. I also will not buy Nike stuff anymore BUT I am NOT getting rid of the stuff I have now. That's just stupid. I already paid for it so..... kind of defeats the purpose. 

 

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