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I think we are screwed either way at this point.  I certainly don't want Shiano, so if he is the next HC I think we are screwed.  More importantly, if Currie offered or wanted to offer Shiano the job, that means he thought that Shiano was the best available left on the list who would accept the job.  If the "deal" with Shiano falls through (assuming there ever was a deal), what does that say for the remainder of Currie's list?  I don't think the "big hire" everyone wanted is behind Shiano.  I hope I'm wrong.

 

I agree with every word except for one thing.

 

I don't think Currie had a big list. UT wants to go on the cheap again.

 

You can't tell me if we hadn't went out with $8-11 million per year we wouldn't have a top tier coach in place by now.

 

Alabama pays Saban $11.5 million per year. Every nickel they have spent has come back dressed up like a quarter.

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According to people in the athletic department the deal was done and now they are working on an exit plan to get out of it. I look for Currie to be let go over this!

 

Best thing that could happen to UT athletics.

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Something else to ponder:  Given the outcry over this attempted hire, what other coaches will be willing to put their necks on the Tennessee chopping block in hopes of approval from the fan base?  I'm betting the list of interested coaches just got smaller.

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Something else to ponder:  Given the outcry over this attempted hire, what other coaches will be willing to put their necks on the Tennessee chopping block in hopes of approval from the fan base?  I'm betting the list of interested coaches just got smaller.

I'm guessing any coach that didn't ignore a pedophile?

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Recommend you take the time to read this before you attempt to destroy a mans character and reputation. You comfortable with what you alleged today? You know for a FACT what you accused Schiano of is 100% accurate?? Give this a read. — Kirk Herbstreit

 

An old, random, nonspecific, (disputed) hearsay allegation took down Greg Schiano/Tennessee. Proof? Evidence? Corroboration? There is none. ... Not going to re-litigate the lengthy, complex Sandusky scandal but headline is very misleading. A document included non-specific allegation based on hearsay that attorney general (who investigated everything) didn't take serious enough to investigate. That's a big difference.

...I've never spoken to Greg Schiano. If there was proof he was guilty of something, I think any regular reader knows I would have been crushing him for years. There just isn't. My intent is fairness. -Dan Wetzel

 

After today?? Gonna be even more challenging. Can’t imagine anyone wanting this job if they have other options - Kirk Herbstreit

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Recommend you take the time to read this before you attempt to destroy a mans character and reputation. You comfortable with what you alleged today? You know for a FACT what you accused Schiano of is 100% accurate?? Give this a read. — Kirk Herbstreit

 

An old, random, nonspecific, (disputed) hearsay allegation took down Greg Schiano/Tennessee. Proof? Evidence? Corroboration? There is none. ... Not going to re-litigate the lengthy, complex Sandusky scandal but headline is very misleading. A document included non-specific allegation based on hearsay that attorney general (who investigated everything) didn't take serious enough to investigate. That's a big difference.

...I've never spoken to Greg Schiano. If there was proof he was guilty of something, I think any regular reader knows I would have been crushing him for years. There just isn't. My intent is fairness. -Dan Wetzel

 

After today?? Gonna be even more challenging. Can’t imagine anyone wanting this job if they have other options - Kirk Herbstreit

 

Let me play Devil's Advocate after your chastising of your fellow fans. I am posting this after following this fiasco all day as a Gator fan and Gator alum, so my interests should lay with rubbing salt in the wounds, but I can't and I won't. I was more intrigued with this than even our own hiring of Mullen, which for the record I'm happy about and cautiously optimistic about.

 

Schiano was a terrible choice for UT. The allegations that have emerged against him from his time at Penn State only emerged last year when the depositions were unsealed. I'm sorry, but no person involved with Penn State during this time period is absolved from this because even the slightest chance that they are true should be enough for anyone to say hell no. Should Mike McQueary be allowed to coach again? The allegations are strong enough to garner serious concern in respect to hiring, especially a program that has experienced such terrible lows to make the right decision here. Let's say these allegations are more trumped up than what actually occurred, even there just the smell of that era of Penn State being on Schiano is enough to second guess the decision making, especially since this is a program that needs to get back on the right track. It would always have been louder in Tennessee. It would be a lot different if this was Alcorn State (no knock against Alcorn State, just randomly named them). Its clearly different if its a coordinator position. This is the highest paid person in the state we're talking about in arguably the most cutthroat and pressure packed league in the country.

 

Kirk Herbstreit and the others are looking at this from a football only perspective. Yes, in some respects Schiano may have been able to do a good job in Knoxville, but he's not shown the ability to captain a ship in some time. His Tampa tenure was disastrous and almost all of his former players there hate his guts. What he did at Rutgers is remarkable, but its lost among many that Rutgers actually started putting money into the program during his tenure which allowed him more options in recruiting and other perks that a lot of programs don't have. The Big Ten possibility was there long before expansion happened due to the way the B10 is covered in the NE and there are not many local powerhouses in that area so competition for TV is low. Schiano at this point seems like he was a 4th or 5th choice.

 

You are right and some of your quotes are correct that this will hurt Tennessee, especially in the short term, but there's still a chance to get a good coach and any ill will about this absolute fiasco needs to be laid at the feet of the braintrust who actually thought this was a good idea. It would be even worse had they followed through on it. The biggest wrong with the quotes is that there's still a chance to fix it and this situation will be forgotten if theres hope again in Knoxville.

 

Anyway, I'm a Gator. I came here with no ill will and truly wish you guys the best of luck. I want to see our rivalry back to its glory days. It'd be good for each of our schools obviously, as well as the conference and game. Go get Tee.

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After today?? Gonna be even more challenging. Can’t imagine anyone wanting this job if they have other options - Kirk Herbstreit

I tend to agree with this statement.  This is a fiasco.  If people were worried about Tennessee being made fun of about a turnover trashcan on the sidelines, then get ready because that was just an appetizer to this main course!  Even if we get a decent hire out of this mess, this has been a total disaster.

 

 

disclaimer:  do not take this as saying UT should've hired Shiano.  Quite the opposite, he should've never been on the list.

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I admit I really expected the admin to ignore the fan reaction and announce Schiano yesterday evening. Shocking that they actually took that into consideration, evidently it was too much to ignore so good for the fans, students and alumni. That's about the only silver lining I can see. Hard for me to believe Fulmer and Peyton signed off on Schiano (or did Currie act without their input or ignored it).

 

Oh well, back to the rumor mill.  :4_6_2v[1]:

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Last I'm saying on this. Needless to say, I've never been so disappointed in my school in my life. The "other" Rob Vols posted this on Facebook. I don't know who this Jones guy, but perfect analysis. Very close to what I've heard.

 

Read on:

 

I'm going to leave this here. Found it on the boards. Enjoy

"Originally Posted by MFJones: Volnation, I posted earlier today for the first time in years. Been a longtime lurker though and consider this one of the best sources to get my UT fix on. I don't bring a ton of inside information other than a couple of former UT football buddies that occasionally share info. With this said, please hear me out. Before throwing Chucky and some of these Volnation "insiders" under the bus, consider all the information that has been shared on here over the past couple of weeks. Although I can't say that I know any of these insiders, much of their info does add up with much of the stuff that I heard as well. No doubt about it today was a **** show, and not a good day for our University and our storied football program. Like many of you all, I have been angry texting family and friends trying to wrap my head around this crap today. But after a whisky drink or two tonight and reflecting on all that has happened, I do believe this: Power was restored to our University today and that is pretty cool. The **** show that most Vol fans and college football fans saw play out today goes back to last fall (2016) and earlier this year when we were searching for a new AD. Blackburn was the leading AD candidate most UT alumni, including, several big boosters wanted, yet somehow we ended up with Currie compliments of an intervention by Jimmy Haslam. At best, the Currie AD selection was a compromise between Haslam and the Charles Ergen Camp (like 70/30 type compromise). The Gruden thing (believe it or not negagrudes) was a very real possibility and at a minimum an MOU was agreed upon. Charles Ergen and several other prominent boosters appear to have been trying to make this happen long before Butch was canned. I believe the Ergen Camp felt that Currie was on board with this plan, and I believe Gruden was very much interested in being our next HC as well. Obviously something happened, and Currie stuck with Haslam and his preference. Likely, this was tied to Currie's loyalty to the man that got him into this AD role as much as anything. It has been reported that Currie is also friends with Schiano. But who knows. So the question I have is this: I know Jimmy Haslam is a big fan of Schiano, but what was/is his beef with Gruden? Why not Gruden? It's been pretty well documented that Haslam did not want UT to the hire him in 2012. Is it because Haslam feared that Jon Gruden would be a man not be easily controlled? Did Gruden say no to his Browns once upon a time?This is a serious question and would love to hear if folks have any insight into this. Regardless of the answers to my above questions, today was (I believe) a successfull first step in the process of overthrowing the old regime of power (Haslams). It was also more than about Gruden, but also a difference in coaching philosophy - bringing in "UT blood" (Including former UT alumni coaching staff). This is where all the leaks occurred a couple of weeks ago - Former UT players (current coaches like Tee Martin) who were contacted by Gruden about joining his potential staff. Problem was that Currie ultimately sided with Jimmy Haslam. And I believe this was likely part of his plan all along. Play along with the Ergen Camp (and Volnation). Passify them while finding "problems" in the final contract that could ultimately not be ironed out between both sides. Over the past few days, this plan was esecuted by Currie and he goes with "Plan B". He notifies the Ergen Camp of his decision. The Ergen Camp says "hell no" and they execute their back up plan in the event Currie and Haslam go rogue. So Volnation, what happened today wasn't about Schiano's role in the Sandusky case as much as it was an absolute revolt from Ergen, 6-8 other superboosters, and the entire Volnation family. I really believe that, at a minimum, a couple of the "insiders" that we have seen in the Gruden threads are absolutely part of this Ergen group and their agenda (and also became volnation's agenda). Think about it, there were over 73 state legislators and 3 different UT sports, websites, social media, etc fighting back against this thing within an hour of the Schiano news breaking. Not a coincidence. The negative publicity campaign used to combat this hire won today. Power restored. Now granted, there is no way this group wanted the **** show that insurred today, but no way were they going to let the Haslams screw up another hire either. Currie is done. Look for Fulmer to step as Interrum AD or some kind of special role for making our next coaching hire. Blackburn will be pushed as our next AD. Blackburn is close to Gruden. I'm not saying we will get Gruden now, but look for whomever the new coach to either be a UT alum or someone committed to hiring a **** ton of assistants that are of UT blood. It is apparent that Ergen and his group don't want outsiders. They obviously think that this is the whole reason we are in this mess to begin with (I.e Kiffin, Dooley, Jones). Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist folks, but I do believe we are seeing a civil war play out before our eyes right now. So I ask all of my fellow UT brothers and sisters, whether you thought Gruden was/is coming or not, let's not fight amongst each other. No more casting stones. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing and that is to Be relevant again. Let this process play out before we all jump off the ledge! GBO!'ll

 

 

So I had faith. Now, I've none. Screw Currie, screw the entire UT administration. They made ONCE AGAIN, UT athletics a joke. Really, thought Charlie would come through. I've lost all faith. Enjoy the next bullshit crap coach. More than likely someone supported by Bob sugar oops I mean Jimmy Sexton.

 

Everyone thinks it's Currie. It goes MUCH HIGHER. He's just the guy stupid enough to allow this to happen.

 

You all have fun. I need a break from this garbage.

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What I heard was this deal was done 2 weeks ago. This was Currie and Haslams first choice. They said others in the athletic department lost there minds over it, but Currie would not listen!

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Good Grief, it's no wonder we can't hire a decent coach. Given the choice, who in the he!! would want to work under this admin?

 

I try (go overboard) to be optimistic, but my eyes have been opened. UT footballs worst enemies are within, and have been for a long time.

 

The following quote is from an article I read last nite. It reeks of agenda.

 

"Schiano was coming off a disastrous stint with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but Haslam wanted to hire him to the Cleveland Browns anyway  and clashed with the Browns’ CEO and General Manager, eventually firing both."

 

So I gather Haslem and Schiano have been playing patty-cake for a while now. When his time came, Currie crawled out from under Haslem's desk long enough to make one phone call to a guy he knew wouldn't say no. Then took an all expense paid winter vacation to the Bahamas.

 

Sweet deal...

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I admit I really expected the admin to ignore the fan reaction and announce Schiano yesterday evening. Shocking that they actually took that into consideration, evidently it was too much to ignore so good for the fans, students and alumni. That's about the only silver lining I can see. Hard for me to believe Fulmer and Peyton signed off on Schiano (or did Currie act without their input or ignored it).

 

Oh well, back to the rumor mill.  :4_6_2v[1]:

 

It wasn't the fans they listened to.

 

72 state legislators and congressmen got in on the deal. What really killed it was Charlie Ergen and several other mega-donors told Currie and Haslam to go to Hell.

 

Several of the big donors backed off their stadium renovation pledges.

 

I don't see Currie surviving this. God, I hope not.

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This article sums it up.

 

 

Tennessee football’s pursuit of Greg Schiano as Volunteers head coach highlights the incompetence of Jimmy Haslam and Athletic Director John Currie.

 

Tennessee football is suffering. And it’s in the hands of an athletic director who failed miserably at Kansas State along with a booster who has failed miserably at, well, everything.

 

We’ll get to John Currie failing at Kansas State. But let’s start with the booster, a prominent one in the program.

 

Tennessee football: Greg Schiano saga reaffirms incompetence of Jimmy Haslam, John Currie

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Why would you listen to Urban Meyer, right behind Belichick, he’s arguably one of the worst football coaches to walk the planet as well !

 

"Greg's been a close friend for 20-plus years. He's an elite person — elite father, elite husband and that translates over into the way he handles his players. Excellent coach, excellent person."- Urban Meyer

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/scout.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Ohio-State-head-coach-Urban-Meyer-shares-what-he-knows-about-defensive-coordinator-Greg-Schianos-link-to-the-opening-at-Tennessee-111165812/Amp

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So my Dad’s gotta have back surgery, we were going to get advice and referrals within the medical profession about a particular surgeon...but why would we want to get active insider /behind the scene professionals opinions...Think we’ll just read online reviews and rely on those that may or may not have credentials to form substantiated opinions.🤔

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Yeah Greg schiano was a Most wanted hire on everyone's list.

 

WTFE.

 

I never thought I'd say this but I need a break from Tennessee athletics for a while

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So my Dad’s gotta have back surgery, we were going to get advice and referrals within the medical profession about a particular surgeon...but why would we want to get active insider /behind the scene professionals opinions...Think we’ll just read online reviews and rely on those that may or may not have credentials to form substantiated opinio

I guess court documents aren't credible?

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