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#515198 Perspective

Posted by Skyking on 12 November 2017 - 11:14 PM

First of all, let me be clear, I’m glad that Jones is gone. And if true, maybe he’s starting to show his true colors by contacting recruits in the way that is rumored. But, that being said, in a lot of ways, he has made a positive impact on the student athletes, the university, and its fans. If nothing then for hope alone. There was a time he did give us hope. And we should remember that.
So, that being said, just keep in mind that this man and his family are going through an absolutely horrible, shameful, and embarrassing time. Imagine for a moment the feeling of failure, in full view of your children, your wife, and everybody dear to you. I for one would never want to be experience that. He tried his best. He just wasn’t SEC caliber. Most coaches aren’t. And that’s nothing to be ashamed of.
So, as I enjoy an over-size cocktail, (most likely the cause of this post), I’d like to say thanks to Coach Jones. Thanks for improving the graduation rate, thanks for the last two seasons, and thanks for giving me hope. But, it’s time to move on. God Speed Coach.
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#517406 Tee Martin

Posted by GiveHim6 on 07 December 2017 - 10:15 AM

While it's true that African American coaches have been few in the SEC, it's equally true that many men have tried and failed as head coaches in the SEC and race had nothing to do with it. It's just a tough conference.

 

There's little doubt Tee may very well turn out to be a great HC somewhere someday but it's not a school or conferences' responsibility to "groom" coaches for success. It's a coaches responsibility to find a way to win and win consistently. Success means job security, failure means termination. Nothing else matters anywhere, progressive or not. Including skin color. It's that simple.


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#516758 John Currie has been fired

Posted by SavageOrangeJug on 01 December 2017 - 10:26 AM

Fulmer was apparently undermining Currie and sabotaging the search in hopes of becoming AD

 

Fulmer would never stab someone in in the back for his own gain.

 

Oh wait...


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#512891 Turnover trash can? Really?

Posted by Skyking on 06 September 2017 - 10:13 AM

Yeah. And one media outlet called it a "Hide The Ball" trash can. Either way, it's already time to trash it (pun intended).
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#512702 Curb Your Enthusiasm

Posted by Skyking on 04 August 2017 - 07:22 AM

But he can use the F$&@ out of quotation marks.
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#510692 Hurd back to Tennessee?

Posted by RockyTopTN on 21 March 2017 - 10:33 AM

What the hell man? Do you read anything at all? All you do is fricking insinuate. No one said they were an expert but if you would do you own research you will see there were tweets and certain folks within the school that alluded to the fact that there was a team meeting about Hurd. Don't come on here and insinuate people here were the cause or the "experts" of this info. All that people said was that they had heard or read things within social media. The bottom line is "Something" caused this guy to change his mind MID SEASON and this IMPACTS everyone. Not just the player. Causes Chemistry issues for everyone. Some people and yes young men like this need to understand you make decisions and with those decisions comes the accountability that goes with that. Too many times people allow folks to make stupid mistakes and then don't hold them to those decisions and people wonder why there is so many issues within our society. 

 

 

:shakehead:


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#506272 Who would you chose?

Posted by RockyTopTN on 28 November 2016 - 10:25 PM

OK still no answer. So who do you want them to go after? there is no one out there right now I would want that would even want to come to Tennessee so before you start saying this or that at least tell me someone who is available who can fix the issues. I am not mad about a team that goes 8-4, has a a high graduation rate and players don't seem to get into much trouble and the culture seems to be good than hiring some quick fix who gets the school into trouble. Give me one name.

 

Not a flavor of the month kind of coach just one who has experience and can recruit and can improve on what Jones has built. I am all for getting someone better if they are out there. You cannot fix it if there is no one showing any interest to come here. Back when they hired Dooley it was because no one wanted to come here. He was like the 10th or 11th guy down the list. so who? 


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#506239 Who would you chose?

Posted by RockyTopTN on 28 November 2016 - 03:27 PM

Dude sorry paw but your posts are giving me a headache :dashing: . I keep seeing global opinions but no suggestions about who or what you feel is specific to the problems. I hear Butch Jones this and Butch Jones that and inferring he stinks. So what are your specific suggestions to fix the issues? Throw more money at someone? Who then?


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#505641 Question for members

Posted by Skyking on 19 November 2016 - 09:42 PM

As long as I don't get any of Pawprints shit. I'm in.
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#505561 Tenn - Missouri Game Discussion

Posted by UltimateVolfan on 18 November 2016 - 04:49 PM

OH yeah the Hurd-O'Brien-Williams :cool:  factors 


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#505446 Voltalk.com Podcast Tennessee vs Kentucky

Posted by okfloray on 17 November 2016 - 05:10 AM

It was the power running game. Lead blockers, pulling o-linemen, 2 TE's on the same side, and the outside zone. This offense looks so good when it works. Why did they wait for so long? I'm not going to continue to beat that dead horse, but this is the offense I've been wanting to see all season long. I can only guess, no doubt a lot of offense's look good vs the likes of TnTech/UK. Maybe we just now got our o-line personell straightened out, maybe it's a push to close the season out. Getting Kamara back seems to be a spark. Dobbs, I love to watch him run, I don't know what to compare him to. Deceptive speed, he don't look all that fast but he covers a lot of ground with his stride. He'll trot out on Shields-Watkins for the last time Saturday, we're gonna miss this guy.

The Vols are so beat-up on defense it's pathetic. For the 2nd yr in a row we're into the depth at DE just to plug guys in at DT. And LB's, sheesh. Somebody said 2nd string, we're into 3rd string and walk-on's. Other than Kirkland our 2nd string is starting, including ST's some guys are taking over 100 snaps a game. But I think the UK game went about the way the Butch thought it would, there were no surprises. Their big guys pushed our defense around until they got into the red zone. When having more DE's in might have actually helped, more speed on the field.

Barnett's a freak. UK committed half their o-line to blocking one guy. Watch this video of Vereen getting the sack while Barnett goes against 3 blockers.
http://www.rockytopi...-opportunities/

There was something else, but I done forgot what it was now. The Vols rushed for like 375 yds vs UK, most this yr. Almost had 3 guys rush for 100 yds, Kamara/Dobbs were over 100, Kelly had 94.
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#504916 Hurd Tweet...

Posted by okfloray on 08 November 2016 - 08:43 AM

BAAA-ZZZZING..!
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#503802 The DeBord Affect***Big Orange Football

Posted by TecVol on 20 October 2016 - 08:56 PM

The DeBord Affect

 

http://www.bigorange...a-crimson-tide/

 

This weekend left me scratching my head. Is Mike DeBord the right fit for this Tennessee offense or is this offense limited by DeBord’s play calling?

Mike DeBord  has had a long career as offense of line coach and offense Coordinator, which includes two stints at Michigan, one where they won the national championship and when they got beat by Appalachian State.  At least on his Michigan teams the offense never seem to be too potent. They scored an average of 21 to 24 points per game but were led to victory mainly do the defensive stands keeping the opponents to fewer than 17 points on average. In the 1997 Michigan National Championship teams, the majority of the games had slow starts offensively by Michigan but were able to score points given the talent level. The 1998 and 1999 teams had a different personality, being able to score often and quickly. His return to the program in 2006 & 2007 saw a much different team, one that struggled offensively to gain significant yardage and scores.

Mike DeBord’s tenure as Head Football Coach at Central Michigan was a failure as the team had a 12-34 record under DeBord. His time at Central Michigan was wedged between his 2 jobs at Michigan where he was ultimately let go by new coach Rich Rodrigues and left the college ranks for the Seattle Seahawks where he was a tight end’s coach.

So does Tennessee just not have the caliber of talent we really need for a prolific offense? Or has the past decade passed DeBord by in his ability to run an offense?

 

My personal opinion is that, despite Butch Jones’ loyalty to DeBord, the game has passed him by. You can not convince me that the talent on the field with this Tennessee team is simply incapable of putting together good drives, good yardage, and scores on our opponents. Games that should of been easy wins by Tennessee turned into struggles and overtime victories plagued by an offensive scheme that would work best for rec-league football teams, certainly not in the SEC. Tennessee is loaded with talent that can effectively make our offense far more potent give the right strategy. Problems with our offensive line complicates things but a good offensive coordinator should be able to develop successful plans to overcome issues on the line. DeBord simply hasn’t been able to do that. With games coming down to the line all season and clear adjustments by Butch Jones where Vol fans were given a taste of a real Tennessee offense, Mike DeBord is no longer the man for the job in Tennessee.

We had way more production offensively in the past two years, even in losses, than this year combined. Although we are 5-2 and if able to fight through injuries could finish the season 10-2 and a possible SEC East leader, we will likely still have painful games the entire season. Simply because DeBord should not be our Offensive Coordinator.

Get rid of him!

http://www.bigorange...a-crimson-tide/


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#503196 Guys,we played good.

Posted by okfloray on 09 October 2016 - 08:39 PM

aTm is overhyped, after 6 turnovers no way the Vols should have ended up threatning. Take away half the turnovers and playing full strength, the Vols win this game 9 times out of 10.
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#502322 Tennessee vs Florida - Meltdown or Comeback

Posted by RaleighGator on 26 September 2016 - 03:42 PM

Wow. Great question. I think it's both. I think things happen in games and then it's up to the teams to respond. Dawson had to come out of the game. So did Tabor. Tennessee capitalized when Florida messed up. Tennessee dropped money balls in the first half. They didn't in the second half. Tabor fell down. Tennessee takes advantage and scored. Dawson doesn't pick up his man, Tennessee scores. Florida LB's let the tight end get behind them, Tennessee scores. The team still has to execute. Tennessee took advantage of the miscues in H2 and Florida didn't. Florida got a pick to start the second half. Did nothing with it. Went 3-and-out. Florida looked like garbage on special teams, including every Vol fan's favorite player Antonio Callaway. Great half of playing receiver....awful game of returner. 

 

I think Tennessee played better D in the second and as we saw, Florida went ultra-conservative with play-calling. When you do that...well you guys know as well as I do what happens. 

 

I think you can look at it as an epic comeback and an epic meltdown. Florida made some mistakes and Tennessee finally woke up. They were the better team when it mattered. 


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#501960 CBJ's Charts

Posted by UltimateVolfan on 23 September 2016 - 08:35 AM

OK I guess that makes sense. Why you could not just make your point on that not sure. I think Travis is an ass as well but his points were valid but i agree with Rob. No need to rehash last year. Coaches learn from mistakes or at least we hope they do so let us hope the charts are upgraded and he knows what to do in game time situations. Last year coaching did cost the team on the Florida game no doubt. I think most of us bitched about that here. I will just hope that we see improvement. If not I will be one of the first to be ticked off and wont be too quiet about it. 


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#501959 One word answer time

Posted by UltimateVolfan on 23 September 2016 - 08:19 AM

Justification = Meaning that they are justified for the hype 


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#501913 Gimmicks

Posted by SavageOrangeJug on 22 September 2016 - 07:09 PM

Some of those are traditions much like our running through the T.

 

Name a national champion in the past 20 years that had a new gimmick almost weekly.

 

The only gimmick I remember in 1998 is "OH SH*T TENNESSEE IS COMING TO TOWN!!!"


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#501864 CBJ's Charts

Posted by UltimateVolfan on 22 September 2016 - 10:36 AM

I need a chart to try and find if you are even a true Vol fan. Every comment you make is some snide remark about Jones. You did the same last year. Look if you don't like him fine many have said they aren't big fans but why the innuendo? Just say it and point out why and quit with the terrible attempt at witty comments. It is just getting old. 

 

And for your information here is some quotes from coaches on charts and stats:

 


 

 

Nick Saban, Alabama

 
Advanced stats he likes: GPS system monitoring players’ workload and explosive movements; plus/minus turnover statistics
 
We use a lot of charts and stats, but this game is not that complicated. The team that wins usually blocks the best, tackles the best and takes care of the ball the best. … I’m not a huge stat guy, but I know one stat that is very effective is turnovers. There’s a stat in the NFL for one year, five years and 20 years, and if you’re plus-one in turnovers in a game, you have like a 77 percent chance of winning. If you’re plus-two, it’s like 90 percent. If you’re plus-three, it’s like 98 percent. Now, 20-year stats in the NFL, that really proves to me how important it is to take care of the ball.”
 

 

Dan Mullen, Mississippi State

 
Advanced stats he likes: Points per possession; red zone efficiency; third-down success by down and distance; three-and-out success/failure; percentage of negative plays vs. percentage of positive plays; touchdown success rate based on number of 12-yard “explosive” plays on a drive
 
“We’re starting to look charts and at (advanced stats). I love numbers. I love looking at the stats in baseball. You have a pitcher and a batter, but in football there’s 11 different variables. You can say, ‘Boy, this guy throws to the left less than he throws to the right,’ but do you take maybe 15 of those throws out because the center rolls the ball back or the left guard misses his assignment or the quarterback got hit in the face by a blitz? There’s lots of interesting information, but you have to figure out what’s the relevancy of that information? … As you look at why (a 12-yard play) is important, it’s great to say we’ll run the ball up the middle. But the chances that’s a 12-yard play are minimal.”

 

 

Jim McElwain, Florida

 
Advanced stats he likes: Third downs in critical situations; red-zone tendencies
 
“We’ve looked into a couple things, but as far as to the level you’re talking about, no. I’m aware of it, though. That’s huge. Now you’re going to open a whole new department for charts and stats just on that, and there’s some good stuff you find in it. I’m not a huge stats guy but there are really some tell-tells.”

 

 

Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
 
Advanced stats he likes: Player energy level and injury-risk statistics through GNSS-tracking from Catapult, a popular monitoring system in pro and college football
 
“Yeah, we use it. It’s kind of a secret. We hired a sports science director last year. … We’ve charted the data for a year so we know what it looked like last year, particularly during that stretch when we had a tough time trying to win and our energy level was down. There are some things we’re going to change from a practice standpoint because of the data -- how we practice, when we practice -- and try to keep that energy throughout the season. As we started getting the data, we had a (defensive back) back off his reps (in spring practice) because there was a high probability he’d pull his hamstring based on his workload.”
 
 
So please quit with the charts and stats stuff. Coaches all have some type of stats and charts of possible game calls an/or track some data or stat analysis. The degree varies but the charting and stats usage is around everywhere. That was just some from the SEC. 

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#501635 Do Heads Need to Roll?

Posted by SavageOrangeJug on 20 September 2016 - 03:56 AM

 

 

 

I haven't voted. I don't even know how to vote this one.

I would probably make a few backdoor contacts to see who might be interested.

If the right guy were there and really seriously interested. The whole current staff might take a walk.

Which brings the question. Who would be the "right guy"?

I started to post the same question but decided against it. Easy answer IMO.

OC-Scott Frost. Then bring back o-line coach Sam Pittman.

And I voted "Stay the Course".

 

I said when Butch was hired. Not retaining Pittman was one of the biggest mistakes he would make as our head coach.

 

Hiring DeBord is looking like an even bigger mistake.

 

Butch took over an absolute dumpster fire. I think we can ALL agree on that.

 

He has stabilized our program. He has recruited lights out. He has built a great foundation. He has been paid well for his efforts. HOWEVER....there seems to be an inability to take to the next level.

 

He has to take it to the next level or we have to get someone who can. UT is a big time program. We need to win like a big time program.

 

This is a great post! When CBJ took over, many believe he was the only coach in the US that could stabilize and bring our program back to SEC Championship status. There were a few that felt he wasn't the only choice, and maybe not even the best choice of coaches in the US, however; once hired, the faithful locked arms, this season should demonstrate the wisdom of that hiring process, and the arm locking. 3 up-3 W's, I'll be holding my breath.

 

 

How in Hell's name did you get that nonsense out of my post?

 

I don't know anyone who felt that way. My first reaction when they hired him was, "Butch who?"


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